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FT8 and Ghost Decodes

The FT8 digital mode that Joe, K1JT, and company rolled out a little over a year ago has become a game changer in ham radio. The mode is a modification of the JT9 & JT65 weak-signal modes that have been around for nearly ten years, an eternity in the digital world. These modes, while great for modest stations (read: apartment and condo dwellers; CC&R prisoners; and those with an iron-willed spouse who does not like antennas), suffered from a SLLOOOW exchange cycle. A rapid QSO with a signal report, acknowledgment and 73 might make it in four minutes. FT8 cuts the time to less than half that. The migration to FT8 has left the JT9 & JT65 band segments virtually deserted today.

The burgeoning success of FT8 has led to the development of a DXpedition mode that uses a “fox and the hound” model with the DX being the “fox” and the rest of the world being the “hounds”. The mode enables the DX station to transmit simultaneously in up to five slots at the low end of the FT8 band segment and work hounds operating in the rest of the segment, racking up several hundred QSOs/hour. Still another version is in beta testing that will be used for the RTTY Roundup contest in a couple months. Support for Field Day 2019 is just around the corner.

I’ve found FT8 a great way to keep chasing DX that I just cannot hear on CW let alone SSB. I’ve amassed 1300 QSOs to date and over 140 countries which says a lot with the disappearance of sunspots. All this time watching calls scroll by has given me a chance to observe operating habits good and bad. Good operating is being able to call a DX station off-frequency to increase the probability of being decoded. Bad operating practice is cranking up the power to spill over into another slot and even desense the station you are trying to decode.

Recently, I noticed a strange phenomenon from stations presumably running high power. Signals in FT8 usually have a received level from -2 to -22 dB that is adequate for decoding. Strong signals such as local stations or stations in the first skip zone with levels of 0 to +5 dB obviously are not hard to decode. However, I’ve seen some stations with a received signal level of +4 to +15 dB or more have a second decoded slot with a signal level of -13 dB or lower. Furthermore, this second decoded slot is always 120 Hz below the primary decoded slot.

I first noticed this behavior with a local station. I sent him an email wondering if his sound card went south and he was experiencing some kind of digital splattering. He was surprised that his ICOM 7610 would create a messy signal and insisted that everything checked out OK. A few days later, he sent me an email with a screen capture of another station in The Villages showing the same behavior. This led to the three of us batting around possible causes. Excessive power due to proximity was one possibility in spite of our lack of an aluminum forest. Another suggestion was to try another computer, the thought being that a dated machine would be a bit over-worked at decoding and “bit-draggled” in the presence of strong signals. One fellow switched to a laptop and saw the same thing so nix the computer. The 120 Hz separation made me wonder if power regulation went haywire but then everything in town would have gone south.

One night on 30 meters I logged ten stations that showed these “ghost” decodes. The station locations ranged from IL, IN, KY, PA/NJ and VA based on their grid squares. All of the stations showed a received signal level greater than +4 dB. Another odd thing was the tendency for the ghost decode to occur only during a CQ. When the station was in a QSO, I did not see the ghost. In addition, received levels often fluctuated as much as 12 dB while in a QSO. Like a real ghost, the secondary decode does not consistently appear for any strong station I happen to find.

For the record, I have an Elecraft K3 with the K3S synthesizer upgrade. My antenna is a multiband Hygain 6BTV vertical that has a gain of 3 dB over a wet noodle. I set my RF gain around 25% to avoid clipping received signals. Not a hyper-sensitive setup; just your average CC&R station.

Since FT8 is driven by a computer, I decided to subscribe to the WSJT-X reflector to post what I observed and inquire if anyone else had seen the phenomenon. I figured most FT8 users would be far more bit-savvy than I am and might have an idea what is happening. I have not had any bites after several weeks as to what it might be.

As I pondered over this oddity, I came back to the Fox/Hound version of FT8. Each slot that the fox uses is adjacent to the next one. The FT8 software juggles a response to a hound such that the hound is automatically switched to the fox’s transmit slot to complete the QSO. I view it kind of like the carnival kid’s game of fishing for a specific duck in a tub full of rubber ducks circling around. He hooks the duck and pulls it out to try for another one. In a sense, this is similar to the multiple receiver windows that a software-defined radio can implement.

So, where does this leave me? Simple answer: stumped. Therefore, I am inviting those in the NARS community who have experience with FT8 or any of the WSJT-X modes to open up the FT8 program and see if the ghosts appear and look for some common cause.

Disclaimer: Any correlation between occurrences of this phenomenon and October 31 is purely coincidental.

Ed, K2TE

One thought on “FT8 and Ghost Decodes”

  1. Hey Ed, long time no see. I hope you’re well.

    I have seen this same effect. I run an Icom IC-7300 (like about a million other hams) and a modest dipole. I live just down the street from a station with 1000w (possibly 1500w) and an unknown beam sometimes pointed my way, who is regularly on FT8. Between the power level and the antenna gain my receiver cries uncle fairly frequently. But only once have I seen this effect. But, here’s what I observed.

    First, the ghosts were not just decodes, they appeared in the spectrum scope (panaramic adapter with waterfall) display so I agree with your conclusion that it’s not in the computer or its software. The software is just decoding what the radio presents. Second I also saw the 120hz spacing. And the signal was so strong there were 5 or 6 ghosts. When I talked with the operator he was saying his outbound signal was clean, and I accept that as he is an experienced operator. So the only conclusion is that it’s in the receiver. The 7300 is a direct conversion receiver. I have no idea what’s in the K3, but the fact that it’s a different design makes me think this is probably not something in the receiver design details, but something more general.

    I know these are pretty generic observations and probably already covered when you all discussed this in person. Just starting from scratch and making no assumptions.

    You mentioned three of your local stations saw this. Do you know what the design of the receivers involved is? Im wondering if maybe this only happened in direct conversion receivers for example.

    I’ve heard this attributed to the strong inputs driving the initial amp in the front end into non- linearity, but I’m bothered by the consistency of the 120 Hz spacing. If it is a case of driving front ends into non-linearity, why would that spacing be so consistent across receiver designs? Unless the aspect of the design is common across all the receivers. Or if the spacing is a characteristic of the signal not the receiver.

    Sadly, at the end of all this rambling, I’m just as stumped as you are about this. I would love to understand more about the spacing. Is it exactly 120 Hz? Is it consistently that offset, or does it vary at some rate less than what we can measure by eyeballing the display on WSJT? Why is the spacing so consistent across receiver technologies (which technologies are those designs? )

    – Charlie
    W1CBD

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